Smokers Take Another Hit

OK - so now we have the Anti's wanting to take over the nation. This whole 'big brother' thing is way outta control...read on and weep. Weep that we are losing our rights to FREE CHOICE - more and more and more and faster.

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Smoking foes bring the fight to apartment buildings

Yep, that's right: the ASN (Anti-Smoking Nazis) are working to make sure your apartment neighbor can dictate that you can't smoke in your own apartment.

This can get even more worse than that, of course. Since your house neighbors may leave their windows open, a wind could carry your filthy disgusting nasty fucking cigarette smoke into their residence and their lungs, making you nothing less than a goddamn killer. Somebody's gotta stop you! Quick, let's make another law.

I wonder if anyone has told them about the Indian territories? How much time and money do you think they'll spend trying to negotiate this law there?

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

I noticed in GZ's contribution/link, both the antis were EX-SMOKERS..figures.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

That the Bill of Rights would be used, on the ignorant, as a tool to mandate control of personal choice rather than the guarantee of it.

Wednesday night I turned the radio on (WSPD b/c I've been so curious to see if any mention of the One Gov issue) and I heard Sean Hannity for the first time. He's a pushy guy, isn't he?

HOWEVER, maybe you can name the Congressman he had on. It is the Congressman with the media control initiative. He was dialoguing with Hannity, who interrupts quite a bit, when it became apparent that the Congressman was not conversant with the content of the First Amendment. This stopped that Hannity guy and he just asked him if he knew what was IN the First Amendment. The guy hemmed and haww'd and he DIDN'T know!!! He is a freaking Congressman in the Unites States of America with a media reform initiative and he
did
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know what was in the First Amendment. So Hannity recites it for him and the Congressman started arguing that he was wrong....

This is scary - if people would take five minutes. READ THE BILL OF RIGHTS!!! Review this list of YOUR personal liberty. You will experience a moment of absolute shock if you do. Alot of what is happening today is predicated in the belief that people will never discover the content of the Bill of Rights.

Read it. Print it out and give it out.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

If your cell phone rings while you're riding your bicycle on any public road in New Jersey, you better not answer it while peddling!

A bi-partisan bill drafted by Republican Assemblyman John Bramnick and co-sponsored by Democratic Assemblywoman Linda Stender, would make biking while talking on your cell phone in New Jersey, punishable with a 100 to 250 dollar fine. There's already buzz that this is just another bill that attempts to modify behavior...and Assemblyman Bramnick admits...it is...

"Its a behavior modification bill and its a safety bill, and that's exactly what government does. Government regulates people's activities. If it gets to a point in society where people don't use common sense, then that's when government steps in," says Bramnick.

Bramnick also admits that though he has no evidence of phoning while biking being a problem, he drafted the measure based on his observations. He adds that he'd also be happy to explore other bicycling distractions...like riding with one hand! The bill heads to the full assembly for a vote.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

I'm surprised. I was so, so, so sure that kids' weight would be the next Nanny initiative given the transfat changes and media attention. Did NOT see this one coming.

BTW - I have figured out what the Rhino label means. What is with the Kool-aid comments? What does that mean?

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

I was at this lovely bar this evening called The Blarney. The Blarney is located downtown on Monroe and Huron. This bar, it seems, is the only bar in Toledo enforcing the smoking ban. It is a new bar and has never allowed smoking. It was so busy this evening that you couldn't even move (it is an Irish pub with musicians who play Irish folk music). Please explain to me this bar's extreme success in the wake of the smoking ban, when other bars do not enforce the ban. I've heard from several sources that a lot of people go to this bar because they do not allow smoking. I'm telling you, this was the most packed bar I've ever been to in Toledo.

Junta,

I love Blarney's. As do my parents. I frequented many establishments like that in Alexandria VA (that had smoking) and they were successful. It is an Irish Pub to the likes of which Toledo has never had. I'd say that's much to it's success.

Now, that being said, winning new customers is easier when they don't have a previous opinion. They go in with an open mind and their judgment isn't clouded by "what happened last time". That means smokers and non-smokers will frequent the establishment free of previous opinion. However other bars that did allow smoking will find a tougher time keeping their "regular customers" (ones who have a high opinion of the establishment) there when something changes.

Plus name another "Irish bar" in town that has Irish music every Thurs, Fri, and Sat? That means they might not be competing for the "irish music fan" demographic with anyone else. At most I'd say they'd compete with Mickey Finns whenever Mickey Finns has irish music which isn't every weekend. The Distillery wouldn't exactly be competing with the same demographics.

Also it should be noted that Blarney's does allow smoking in an area right outside of the side door. So it's not exactly "smoke free".

MikeyA

MikeyA

I'm telling ya'.

Took the youngest darling over the river and through the woods to his new girlfriends' house. Mapquest routed us on 280. I blithely thought 'Oh cool - it must be open'. Duh...

Across the river and safely on 51, (he has been there before when the girlfriends' mother picked him up, and he commented - 'Oh there's the pizza place we went to"), looking for Curtice Ave. Mapquest didn't mention needing to turn on Wheeling St. Took forever to get there. When I told the mother about the difficulty - she looked at my son and asked, "Why didn't you come the way I told you to come?", I felt something inside me happen - akin to what happens to your face when you bite into a lemon.

I need a break.....

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Hello all,

One, two or even three busy nights a week doesn't ensure the success of a tavern/nightlub/restaurant. If an adult venue doesn't attract customers on a Friday and Saturday night then they need to work on their marketing.

I was a manager at El Porto when Portside opened in 1984. Despite the great business in the summer, the operation didn't live long enough to get a birthday cake with 2 candles on it. Then the space became Shooters, then Lightning Louies, then the Portside lights went out for good in 1990.

GZ, you opine that smokers are largely 40+. I disagree. Smoking is still celebrated by 18+ year olds who embrace the freedom that comes with moving out of the nest. For a small investment of $3.00 for a pack of generic cigs, an 18 year old gets to celebrate freedom 20 times & Mom will usually not find out. Lucky for me, my Mom recognized smoking as something that a person decides to do or not to do - never got a guilt trip from her.

Everything I've heard about the Blarney has been positive. Maybe we should schedule a "bloggers night" and check it out.

Jim Avolt

Big Jim

Jim... did you ever think that you would ever have to justify your having an opinion on what does and does not have an effect on your business?

It's a sad state of affairs...but it has come to the point where those that tell lies are in a position of trust in our political system would bein opposition to those who speak the plain and common truth? And that those who don't tell lies would need to justify their position?

The Nanny's (self-obsessed sorry and inadequate humans) have tried to take over. I propose we spank their sorry little asses and send them home crying to Mommy.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Does anyone know what Denny is doing now since he was fired in Atlanta? I hope he comes back to T town and host a morning show. His morning show here was the last morning show that I listen to.

"All evil and unhappiness in this world comes from the I-concept."

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

I do trust everyone is aware that 'surgeon general's report' they threw up is the same goddamned one they came out with years ago? Just the same lies regurgitated, but called 'new' by the illustrious media.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

Wow, DS, the depth of that man's misunderstanding of the US Constitution and overall common law is just breathtaking. After all, we see the Grand Canyon, note it's very deep, and then it takes our breath away similarly.

Americans have the right to smoke simply because they have it. Two significant places in the US Constitution affirm that, one saying that rights are retained by the People and the other saying the "States or the People". The US Constitution doesn't give a complete list of rights that the people have; instead (1) it affirms certain rights, (2) defines and restricts government, and then (3) leaves us everything else in the most important sense. You therefore have the right to smoke, fly airplanes, chew gum, breakdance, inject bleach into your genitals*, and whatever else your sick little mind can come up with. America was supposed to be an experiment in maximizing personal liberty -- in fact, successful by design -- and there's no reason to think that that experiment actually FAILED.

As for smoking being an addiction ... well, again to contradict Mr. Constitution-Ignorant there, we have every right to become addicted to substances. The "War on Drugs" is inherently an illegal government action; it's just that the people haven't yet overthrown the government agencies who are conducting said war.

* Please note: injector + bleach + genitals = BAD

READ THE BILL OF RIGHTS!!!

well, i wouldn't want to miss the latest american idol episode.

seriously, though, i agree with your comment. in fact, i believe bill of rights day (yes, there's such thing...dec 15th) should be a federal holiday. it should replace columbus day and MLK day.

then again, the powers that be probably don't want us paying attention to it.

... that Congressman probably took an oath of office (as I did when I joined the USAF), which undoubtedly and specifically stated that he'd uphold the US Constitution. Apparently, nobody told him that it was necessary to READ the damned thing.

Many (most?) Congressmen are lawyers. The basis for law in the USA is the US Constitution and then English common law. You'd think that there would be more awareness (if not outright advocacy) of Constitutional law in the Congress.

Then again, if Hannity told ME anything, I'd doubt him too, since he's a rightwingnut. He hee!

Bramnick should realize that when LEGISLATORS don't use common sense, then WE THE PEOPLE ought to step in.

It's getting to the point that we need a law that specifies that in order to make a new law, you have to repeal 2 other, existing ones. This is my inclination since if you pass enough laws, you make everyone a criminal. With more laws, you have LESS justice.

Kate (and everyone): RHINO="Republican? Ha! In Name Only!"

Kool-Aid, Drinking The Kool-Aid, Kool-Aid Drinkers, Etc.=Refers to blind followers, true believers, whether right or left-wing-taken from the Jim Jones debacle some years ago, wherein his religious followers followed him into death by commiting suicide -by KNOWINGLY drinking poisoned Kool-Aid.
refers to following false prophet/prophets. ;)

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

... since apparently, his nose is so large that it's difficult to see beyond its monstrous nasality* at anything else. Prime real estate!

The Blarney is brand new, and new stuff always attracts customers. Also, everytime I've walked by there, it had a younger crowd in it. The smokers around Toledo are largely 40s+. I posit that any venue that attracts the 20s crowd is apt to have a nonsmoking crowd.

At any rate, in the vastly wide world beyond the JuntaNose, ONE BAR that is doing OK at ONE MOMENT early in its existence is not an indicator of .... well, anything.

I mean, I was at the Distillery on our blogger Friday, and it ALSO became packed. Note well that a waitress brought MadJack an ashtray, and he puffed away with reasonable contentment. So according to the GuestZeroNose, bars need smoking in order to succeed. Right? RIGHT?

As usual, the problem with smoking in bars and such was never really about economic outcomes. It was about rational and historial liberties in what is supposed to be the liberty-drenched American Republic. But, hey, my mistake, huh?

* "Monstrous nasality": C'mon, that's funny right thar, that is.

both sponsors of the bill need to go! I thought government was supposed to protect our rights (even our right to do something stupid) - NOT perform 'behavior modification'!!!!

Just like in the smoking, trans-fat or foie gras bans...if we let government modify one behavior, what's to stop them from modifying ALL behavior?

Cute guestzero (the nose joke and all). I tend to agree with MikeyA's assessment. I also agree with Jim in that I believe more young people smoke than you think (people tend to quit by their forties). Coincidentally Jim, the only two bars that I've seen this busy in Toledo are the Distillery and Mulvaney's Bunker. Incidentally, the Distillery and Mulvaney's bunker are much larger than the Blarney.

But no one listened. Now it continues:

http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007701...

.Next your car. Then your home.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

"Maybe we should schedule a "bloggers night" and check it out." I'd go.

I took my parents there and they loved it. My mom asked me to burn a copy of my "Irish Drinking Songs" CD so that she can learn the words to the songs they were singing so that she could sing along.

It's a unique place and I think they really found an untapped market in the area.

Now there's only one more "bar" I'd like to see in town. A Toledo Rockets bar that's similar to the Buckeye Hall of Fame Cafe in Columbus.

MikeyA

MikeyA

Please don't confuse health insurance with socialized medicine. Although it does lead to marked imbalances, the insurance companies are risk managers and have every right to identify risky populations and to target them with higher premiums.

Insurance is basically a bet. As the insured, you're betting you'll get sick. The insurer is betting you WON'T get sick. If the insurer understands you're in failing health, then it's not a good bet for them, now, is it? Would YOU bet in a game that's rigged against YOU? Of course not.

Although it probably seemed like a good idea at the time, insurance mandates have become utterly corrupted (by mingling the interests of medical associations and insurance payouts) and we can't trust the government regulatory apparatus any longer. It should all be torn down and reformed under basic principles. That will never happen, of course, since too many corporate elite get paid by the current system. They can out-bribe any of us if we suitably demand that the system be reformed.

If anything, we'd improve things if the government acted in natural opposition to the naturally superior position that the insurance companies hold over their clients. The insurance industry understands your health probabilities much better than you do, so they can set their premiums and terms more to their benefit than yours. Then again, we'd run into the problem of a government which subsidizes tobacco growers, works to reveal to the populace about the dangers of the same tobacco, and also collects taxes on tobacco products. That's a clear conflict of interest and we can't get anything rational out of such a mess.

This stuff is beginning to overwhelm me. BTW...RHINO Ah-Nuld is all for this becoming law.

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